The bizarre story of John Mark Karr, who once claimed to have murdered 6-year-old child beauty queen Jon_Benet Ramsey, has turned even stranger . A woman who says she is Karr's ex-fiancee went on national TV today (June 3) to claim he's living as a woman and is trying to recruit little girls for a kiddie sex cult.
His mission is to create a cult that he wants to call "The Immaculates," of little girls that would have sexual relationships with him and do whatever he wanted and just like, be his little minions," Samantha Spiegel told NBC's "Today." Spiegel, 19, says she first met Karr when she was 9 and he was working as a teacher's aide at a California school. In 2006, when Karr made headlines around the world following his bizarre false confession in the Ramsey , she said , she reached out to him , saying that they started a relationship. "I was just thinking he was sisunderstood , that he was a victim of his childhood, his family, of everyone and that he needed to be saved in some sort of way," Spiegel explained. Spiegel also alleges that Karr ,46, is pursuing gender reassignment surgery so he can get closer to little girls.
last week, after Spiegel produced e-mails revealing death threats that she had allegedly received from Karr after refusing to help him with his suppose cult , a California judge issued a temporary restraining order against him. " If you deceive me, I will kill you, I know where you live." Given Karr's past antics, it should come as no surprise that experts find these most recent allegations quetionable, at best. Retired Mark Safarik and his partner, retired FBI agent Robert Ressler, are the founders of Forensic Behavioral Services International, a 16 year-old-company that provides expert opinion and analysis to law enforcement agencies, attorneys and Fortune 500 companies and foreign entities.
Safarik said that, if anything , Karr's alleged kiddie cult aspirations are born out of fantasy and will never become a reality. He also said he believes there are underlying motives at play ."He got the attention he is looking for now with his girlfriend - which is wild," Safarik said. "Whatever relationship she is to him is just a story - a fanastical story, and the media loves that sort of thing, it's just a publicity grab, as far as I'm concerned ...an absurd story and another big joke." Pat Brown, a criminal profiler and founder of patbrownprofiling.com, agrees with Safarif but says she tends to believe Spiegel's story "up to a point."
John Mark Karr is a charismatic man in a sick creep sort of way, and he can get groupies much like Scitt Peterson, Ted Bundy and Charles Manson,"Brown says. "Karr did not seek out Spiegel; she contacted him after he 'confessed' to killing Jon-Benet. She wasn't interested in him when he was a nobody but only after he became a media somebody. "But if she is telling the truth, why is she now turning on Karr? She claims it is because she came to realize he was a sick man during her stint in rehab and she realizes she , too, was a victim of his, that he had control of her mind and she couldn't help doing his dirty work for him.According to "Today," Spiegel said she is speaking out to "help other potential victims.
My spin on this crap: Regardless of the reasons behind the allegations , one question remains : Is John Mark Karr dangerous ??? Anybody has the potential certainly to be dangerous to children, if there's at least some sort of at fantasy history, he's certainly demonstrated he has the ability to be dangerous and should be arrested and see what his mental status is...most crazy people has the ability to make you think they are sane and you are the unstable one in the group. But hey that's just me.
Kicking back and keeping it real....
PIC...it's 7:pm here...check your mail...Nan says she left you a note.
ReplyDeleteHi PIC...just hanging out doing nothing, watching criminal minds on A&E, it's about the best on.
ReplyDeleteI was in the market today and I think it was the Star/People magazine saying Sandra may give in to Jesse becuse he was crying and his mistress tells her not to believe him, he's broke and just saying that because he got caught.
How"s everyone??? Are you ready for the lake???
ReplyDeleteI saw that magazine today also. It was In Touch Magazine. I was shocked. She can't take him back.
ReplyDeleteI know it was one of them...if she do he will continue to do it , he'll just get slicker.
ReplyDeleteThe twins can't wait for us to get there with the boat. I always have treats on board and toys.
ReplyDeleteIs that love or just stupidity or both??
ReplyDeleteShe ia a sucker of the highest degree. She can't be that desperate for a man.
ReplyDeleteShe could have her pick of anyone. But she is addicted to bad guys.
They will be so happy. How will keep Maxy from stealing their treats.[giggles] I know you will have a great time.
ReplyDeleteShe's addicted to wrong kind of bad guys...he's using her for a door mat.I know there are still some good men out there and Jesse don't look that good, his eyes is to empty and hard.
ReplyDeleteMy big brave dog. We had a thunderstorm yesterday and while I was in the shower Maxy came in the bathroom and hid behind the toilet.
ReplyDeleteSome women are actually turned on by that kind of abuse.I still can't understand women getting involved with rapists and murderers in prison.
ReplyDeleteI told Nan she had a note and she said she will get it tomorrow, she's bushed.
ReplyDeleteI answered your e-mail and I agree with you.
I don't think their stairs go to the top...I like bad boys that have good morals and respect for me, an ass-hole is not a bad boy, he's a fool.
ReplyDeletemaxy say he couldn't see the thunder, but he'll run the yardmen all over the place...Maxy is so cute.
ReplyDeleteThey are making a great big deal out of something which could have been handled calmly and reasonably. They should have been prepared for it a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteSis asked us to come down this evening and all my siblings was there and she told them that her barn was off limits for their kids and friends,only the kids she raised could use the barn she didn't fix it up to get puke and piss all ouer the place and then told them to go home.
ReplyDeleteAll the family works in the business except Leon/Gil and I think they just want to live off the fat of the land. Dad had no problems in Reno and he and Rosa started that one. When the guy fell none of them was anywhere to be found. I asked Leon this morning why wasn't Gil in there and he said Gil wasn't thinking about them.
ReplyDeleteI'd be mad if I was Sis.That is the height of disrespect. Those people have no right ot abuse her home.She did right.
ReplyDeleteThey have spoiled it for everyone.
Gil told them this morning his Mama/dad gave him the best education they could afford and he thinks them for that and he is a self man man and if they don't come to an agreement he could care less because he will just write it off as a loss for dad.
ReplyDeleteThe free ride is over. No matter how many lawyers they bring, it will not change anything.
ReplyDeleteNo one can use the barn but Chris/Nan and me...we can invite our friends.
ReplyDeleteI am glad we wasn't in the house ...shit she might have got her shoot-gun. Sis remodeled it real nice 2 bathrooms/kitchen, table chairs and a big room for the kids to play and sleep.
G's family has had it pretty good for years. They thought he would die and leave his shares in the business to divide among them. Or if he left the shares to Gil, then Gil would leave them as they were. They had it all planned. They never believed G would pull out.
ReplyDeleteSusan told sis it belong to all of us and sis told her she's a damn lie , daddy gave everyone what he wanted them to have and she had enough space to do as she please.Sis told her if she didn't get out her face she would break her musty butt and Nan jumped up and told her she better watch it , that's her mama.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad sis had is done before she met dad..
The barn was a fabulous idea. If they had treated it right they could great family gatherings for years.What a stupid waste.
ReplyDeleteAunt Mae says after Rosa died dad threw himself into work he had nothing else to do.
ReplyDeleteOne lawyer was asking Gil something and he handed him some papers and told what he had to say was all there and walked off, the man told Leon he couldn't believe Gil walked away from him and Leon told the lawyer he was surprise that Gil even stopped to see what he wanted.
Peter got his boat pilot's license tonight. He did it on my computer. You have to have someone supervise you while you take the test online to make sure you don't cheat.
ReplyDeleteWe all helped him anyway. He got 94%.
They have so many kids and a lot of them you only see when there's something free, the one that mess up the bathroom was Dan's grandson, I think Chris had told him a couple of times he had enough to drink...we will still have get togethers.
ReplyDeleteBrian had some guys over from work. They were all sitting in the boat having a drink.It was like a boys club. He was having some pain tonight, right where the incision is and all down his side and it felt hot there when I put my hand there.I'm not sure what to do about that.
ReplyDeleteSis told daddy that the family was to large for the house and daddy told her to re-do the barn.
ReplyDeleteSusan is jealous of sis...but I told her sis gave up a lot and she deserves all daddy left..She was left with Chris/me and her three kids and they didn't help her.
Good for Pete I bet his chest was poking out so far and all of you is very proud of him.
ReplyDeleteWay to go Pete.
Brian has over did it...he feel good and forget about the surgery.
ReplyDeletePut an ice pack on it and see if you can cool it down...do he have a little fever??
We went to J's house for Brian to take his test and he only got 84%
ReplyDeleteYou can't take the test on your own computer.
Pete is really lording it over Brian because he got a bigger score but J, Brian and I gave him a lot of the answers.
Tell Brian easy does it...he may have moved it the wrong way and stretched his muscles to much and that has them sore,tell him it was major surgery and he will have to take it slow.
ReplyDeleteYou can't even drive a little boat without a pilot's license now.
ReplyDeleteWe think it is a government grab for money.I have driven boats most of my life and now I can't do it unless I get a license.And the license is pricey.
I know you all gave Pete a lot of the answers, and Brian is real proud off him, you know Brian would have scored better if he was at home.
ReplyDeleteBrian may be like me...I know the answers but I'm not good at taking tests, my mind seem to go blank.
ReplyDeleteHe does feel a little warm but the incision is quite hot feeling.
ReplyDeleteI bet they are costly, we have to have a license for almost everything fishing/hunting and maybe even rowboats if they could get away with it.
ReplyDeleteI think Gil is fed up with the whole thing.He won't be easy for them to approach anymore.
ReplyDeleteCan you put an ice pack on it...
ReplyDeleteI use a zip lock bag and put it in a towel that keeps the plastic off the skin.
No it won't be easy and what henry called me, Gil is still hot and aunt Mae says they all know how he is , just like dad.
ReplyDeleteI think I'll take your advice and put an ice pack on it.I think the problem is in the muscles that were cut. he probably pulled them or as you say twisted them the wrong way.
ReplyDeleteI didn't talk to Mamie she called nd said she didn't feel well and she will see me Monday I said okay and call the security company to have my code change on my system, they will be here tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteSweetie there's never a dull moment here.
He was talking with his friends and it was like old times and he just forgot. You know you can move a certain way and get a catch in your side...just think about what he's been through.
ReplyDeleteI think the ice pack will help and if not you know what to do.
It's hard for him to be still , he's been active all his life.
Do you ever think about the way you met him??
ReplyDeleteDo you think Mamie has quit??
ReplyDeleteWhy did you have your codes changed? Don't you want her back in the house?
ReplyDeleteBoy, I thought the Mamie thing would blow over.You would tear a strip off her hide and she would be sorry and never do it again.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if she quit ..
ReplyDeleteI will give her the new code and if someone comes in I will know she gave it to them...I don't want no man around my girls I don't know.
She's good with the kids and right now I wasn't thinking about firing her, maybe I didn't make myself clear to her about visitors...
ReplyDeleteI'm not even upset , now that's s first for me.
All my grandchildren know how we met and the twins used to make me tell them the story. I used to make it a little more exciting like I did for the blog.
ReplyDeleteNone of them know the story of how we drove into a big pit behind the service station, looking for a place to have sex. I may never tell them that one.
I hope we can work this out but the girls tell Gil everything and he asked me about it and told me to do what I think is best.
ReplyDeleteHow is Nana doing???I hope she's still cheerful and in a good spirits.
ReplyDeleteI took Nana out for a bit today.She couldn't walk very far so we sat and had a cup of tea. She was sad because she realized she wouldn't be able to go out with me very much longer. No more worries about losing Nana in the mall.
ReplyDeleteBy that's what I call love, it was so romantic the way you met and he was scared to call you.
ReplyDeleteSweetie we are so lucky, we have the love of our men most women only dream about.
I should pull out the story of how we fell in the pit. That was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteIf you turn to Leno right now and look at the rapsinger on the left with the dreadlocks. He looks exactly like my ex except darker.
ReplyDeleteActually he was on the right side.
ReplyDeleteYou probably missed that segment,huh?
ReplyDeleteSweetie it's nice on your patio and you can have a cup of tea out there and talk and that will make her happy.
ReplyDeleteI can't began to tell you that I know how you feel...I would be lying but I will say hold on and stay close and give her all your love and support to her in what she wants to do. I feel in my heart that Nana is happy with her life and know the Rock will take care of you.
I miised him.
ReplyDeleteNana is content and Jakey writes her long letters, one page a day.
ReplyDeleteEven Sam wrote her one this week. That makes her very happy. she worries a lot about Jakey.She fears for him.
I was on A&E...we don't have much to choose from lately.
ReplyDeleteYes pull it out, I enjoyed it.
I also liked how you met him when your car was stuck in the snow storm...TRUE LOVE SWETTIE.
Jakey is the baby and she has a very soft spot for him.
ReplyDeleteHave you heard anything about his tests??
My ex has very green eyes.I used to be fscinated by them. They were a bit cold but I thought they were lovely.
ReplyDeleteBrian's eyes are plain old brown but very warm and he winks at me all the time. I love that.
I heard a lot of kids get stronger as the grow and mature...if so, I hope it's true in Jakey's case.
ReplyDeleteThey have not started the testing yet. They are so constipated in Canada about trying new things. They have to test them for ten years first. Jakey doesn't have ten years.
ReplyDeleteWell I'm told my eyes is warm and friendly HMmmmmm maybe sometime.
ReplyDeleteMy man has brown eyes/black hair and I love it when he smile and wink at me when we are out, we still flirt with each other when we are out .
Chris has gray eyes lke my daddy and the rest has brown eyes.
Sweetie don't say that , it's always hope and BIO needs to keep his hands off him he tires him out to much.
ReplyDeleteHe will always try to keep up and the fool don't realize that or maybe he just don't care.
Well honey I have a hockey game tomorrow. So I have to get moving.
ReplyDeleteBe good,don't wander into mens' washrooms and don't beat up Henry.
I don't think his heart could take it.
I hope the Mamie thing works out.
You sure have an interesting life.
See you around the old blog.Do you still visit Heidi's old blog now and then?
Our blog is much better than hers ever was.I think the stats are starting to show it.
Okay sweetie, nighty night, Ill leave you a note now and then over the weekend....luv...PIC
I dislike that man with a passion,he don't know or did diddly-shit and now he wants to play D**** hell I could tell him what he can play.
ReplyDeleteI agree about Bio. He is clueless .Jakey adores him and would wear himself out trying to please him.
ReplyDeleteYes I visit it yesterday...I was trying to find the picture of DC and Marg and see if we could make some kind of post about him and his good old days.
ReplyDeleteYou know you and I was the ones that put her blog on the map and she didn't know shit...you helped her like you helped me and she wanted to a know it all and she know she was losing us when she couldn't turn this in a DC blog.
She was selfish... People like us and the commenter said it was nice to come hear and read the post you posted and it wasn't full of hate.
Hell we are just having fun.
Goodnight sweetie and hope Sammy is the goalie and they win..
ReplyDeleteSee you later and I will be leaving you notes.
Be sure to put the ice pack on the ROCK.
GOODNITE...HUGS & KISSES...PIC
Kiss the Rock..
POST SCRIPT:
ReplyDeleteThat's when the grown-up part should talk over and realize when enough is enough but I forgot he's a kid with a big weenie and it's gimme, gimme.
NITE ...CUTIE....PIC
Post Script: She tried to turn this into a DC blog and you straightened her out. Boy I was glad you did that. I hated what she was doing.
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